Over the past two days, CWCP President Dr. Brad Nelson and CWCP Vice President Dr. Yohanes Sulaiman conducted a conversation over email on the recent revelations about the
"State Department 51". In short, 51 State Department officials signed an internal memo criticizing America's current Syria policy and arguing for airstrikes against the Assad regime. Because of the number of officials who signed on to the memo, and because of the apparent sharp divisions within the State Department and between the State Department and the White House, this memo has been characterized as "unprecedented."
Brad Nelson: So what do you think about the news reports
that 51 State Department officials--in a clear dissent against existing US
policy--want the Obama administration to up its game in Syria by militarily
targeting the Assad government?
Yohanes Sulaiman: Well, I have a mixed feeling about this.
On the one hand, I do believe that they are right, that without any military
pressure on Assad, the US is basically giving up the game, in the sense that
there's no way Assad is going to step down or make a political compromise.
There won't be any reconciliation at all. The country will remain divided along
ethnic and religious lines, with the Sunnis basically giving up the political
process and ending up radicalized in the long run, setting up the country for
future troubles. Another potential
problem is that Hezbollah, which, already a major player in region, will take a
much stronger role in both Syria and Lebanon. This in turn will have regional
impacts, especially on Lebanon and Israel.
On the other hand, this is already way late in the game,
where the position of Assad has already been solidified thanks to Russia, Iran,
and aforementioned Hezbollah's assistance. The rebels are in disarray, and hate
each other. And some are discredited due to their linkage with the Islamic
State (and don't make me start on Al Nusra!) Besides, Obama has lost every
shred of credibility on Syria. Remember that notorious "Red Line"?
And that's before the Russians put their boots on the ground. The US is
basically expected to start a conflict against a well-entrenched Russian force
and risk breaking the nuclear deal with Iran? There's no way the Obama administration
is going to do that.
In essence, Syria will be another headache in a long run for
another administration.
BN: I can understand the frustration that government
officials have with Obama's policy toward Syria and ISIS. The Syrian civil war
continues, the refugee problem only worsens, the genocidal Assad is still in
power, and ISIS headquarters (in Iraq and Syria), despite territorial setbacks,
is still alive and its supporters/sympathizers are launching violent attacks
globally. And this status quo has held for years now. It's indeed a troubling
situation.
That said, in my view, militarily targeting Assad, at this
point, probably isn't a good idea. It likely won't force Assad to hold to
extant cease-fires and it likely won't bring him to the negotiating table. As
long as Assad has Russia in his back pocket, he's mostly free to do as he
wishes. The plan of the State Department dissenters will only reinvigorate
Russia's backing for Assad, which really has never wavered (it's still
attacking pro-US rebels) despite pledges to the contrary, and risk a direct
deadly military conflict between Washington and Moscow. If the critics want to
get to Assad, then they have to think of creative ways to get Russia--or more
specifically, Putin--to change its view and policy on the continuation of Assad
in power.
YS: I think we both agree on the futility of the demands of
the rogue State Department officials. But at the same time, the question is:
What’s next? As far as I see, Obama has—rightly or wrongly, depending on your
view—abdicated America’s interest in the region, giving Assad (and Russia and
Iran) free hands, allowing them to do whatever they wish, thereby degrading America’s
influence in deciding the ultimate outcome in Syria—and simply training a rag-tag
bunch of rebels that the Hezbollah, al-Nusra, and ISIS have bulldozed does not
count!
And at the same time, this policy inadvertently gives Turkey
a lot of power on the refugees. Just witness European Union's impotence over
all human rights abuses in Turkey, and even the Germans have simply rolled over
when Erdogan has told them to do so (e.g. squelching the criticism to
Turkey). And the Saudis are doing
whatever they want the region, with the United States playing the second fiddle
(e.g., see Yemen). No wonder Netanyahu isn’t even giving any lip service to
Obama.
I don't have any faith at all that Obama is going to do
anything in his remaining months in office. Russia doesn’t care about Obama’s
views. And there won't be any concession at all from Tehran, since for that
regime, "giving up" their nukes has already been a huge concession
anyway (I put that scare quote on purpose).
I would think that Trump administration would actually be in
a marginally better position vis-a-vis Russia, simply because it looks to me
that Putin likes and prefers Trump and probably wants to build better relations.
I think Putin genuinely likes him -- quite similar to Silvio Berlusconi, an
infamous wheeler and dealer type of guy. While on the other hand, Putin would
see Hillary as a continuation of Obama, whom I don't think Putin respects at
all. But regardless of whomever is in command in Washington, the Syrians are
screwed anyway.
BN: Obama made the gamble that the Syrian civil war would
end fairly quickly, with Assad toppled, pro-reform rebels in power, and little
collateral damage. Team Obama never recovered from that wrong bet. He's
floundered since then, completely unprepared for what did happen in reality. His
best move would've been to try to contain the instability and violence, once
Assad steadied himself and the rebels were infiltrated by extremists, both of
which occurred in 2012. By that I mean Team Obama, among other things,
should've moved quickly on establishing safe zones inside Syria, refrained from
calling for Assad's ouster, and put together a robust anti-terror coalition. Of
course, none of things happened. Absent a strategy for dealing with Syria, and
later ISIS, Obama simply went with his default policy, which is to find ways to
minimize the military and economic costs of US involvement in overseas missions
and interventions. In practice, then, the America's Syria policy has consisted
of minimal cost, low effort, and absent leadership.
I still think Obama--and if not him, then his
successor--should set up safe zones. Yes, these would have to be administered
and protected. I don't think this would be a big a problem as Obama thinks. In
fact, I think the Russians could be persuaded to leave these safe zones alone,
as long as Obama toned down any talk of Assad leaving power. Sure, ISIS is
trouble, and safe zones would serve as a magnet for Jihadis. But a
multinational force, perhaps headed by the US, could keep these zones
relatively safe. And if these zones are safe and secure, more than enough
international organizations would be willing to pitch in to deal with food,
water, shelter, health care, and the like.
I think my recommendation is the moral thing to do so. It
would also help neighboring countries and Europe, which are struggling mightily
with the in-flux of refugees. It might defuse a bit the highly politicized talk
in the US about bringing in Syrian refugees. It would go some way toward
reestablishing a sense of American leadership in the world. And most
importantly, it would help to keep alive people who desperately need external
assistance and support.
YS: The problem with "safe zones," especially
under Obama, is that I doubt the Russians/Syrians/Iranians would believe that
it is simply a safe zone. They looked at what happened in Yugoslavia, Iraq, and
Libya, and saw that as the first step for regime change/partition. Especially
the Libyan case. I suspect that the US/France/Britain had secretly promised not
to get rid of Qaddafi in order to secure both Russia and China's agreements not
to veto any UN resolution. Putin saw himself being played for a fool and thus will
seek to prevent a second serving -- which explains why Russia is placing the
notorious Buk missile system in both Ukraine and Syria – by blocking the
emergence of these safe-zones in Syria. There is no way Russia would allow the
establishment of any kind of pro-US enclave that could be used as springboard
against Assad. I doubt Putin believes that Obama is uninterested in getting rid
of Assad.
Thus my mixed feeling about the demands from the 51 State
Department folks. I recognize the downsides, but there's simply no other
credible option for Obama to deal with this knotty situation except through the
credible escalation of force that could push Assad to the negotiating table. Yet at the same time, given the calendar, there are also electoral
considerations. Any escalation of tensions (and risk) would probably benefit
Trump in the polls/vote. So in addition to his foreign policy views and inclinations,
Obama has an extra incentive to play it safe in international affairs. As long
as he manages to keep things quiet on both domestic and foreign policy, Hillary
will sail through the election.
BN: You've pointed out one of Obama's sins of commission:
that Obama called for Assad's ouster, and that Obama probably shouldn't have
done so. His anti-Assad stance has made it more difficult to get Assad to the
negotiating table and to get Russia on board with the US. Unfortunately, Assad
and Putin very likely believe that the US has maximal demands and interests: a
pro-reform government in Damascus, the elimination of terrorists, and the
reduction of Russia's influence in Syria.
Nevertheless, I still think the safe zones idea could work
and is the morally right thing for the US to implement. At this point, it would
take some work for Obama and John Kerry to credibly signal that the US is only
interested in protecting the lives of innocent civilians caught in the
crossfire and doesn't have expansionist aims. But it doesn't seem like Obama is
willing to put in the effort--despite that, I don't doubt, John Kerry and
Samantha Power, among others, would be willing to the requisite legwork.
In the end, you're probably right that a new US
administration, with a blank slate, would be in a better position to help on
humanitarian and conflict resolution aspects of the war. If for no other
reason, Hillary and Trump don't have the political baggage (the global
perception of weakness, lack of credibility internationally, etc.) that the
Obama administration currently has, especially with the major actors in the
Syrian civil war.
I suspect that of the two remaining candidates for
president, Hillary is the one who will likely press the issue on Syria, and do so
right away. So on this point, I do disagree with you. She's more hawkish than Trump, at least based on their policy
speeches (though not based on Rhetoric, certainly). After all, Clinton has a
history of advocating for US military intervention (Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya,
Syria, etc.), whereas Trump embraces a narrow "America First"
conception of American national interests. Moreover, Clinton has in the past
called for the implementation of safe zones, protected by airstrikes. Back in
April Hillary argued, "I do still support a no-fly zone because I think we
need to put in safe havens for those poor Syrians who are fleeing both Assad
and ISIS and so they have some place they can be safe."